It would be great if people like Ben didn't present the propositions of his
'argument' as facts, when indeed they are just plain wrong( Dr. Spock's son did not
commit suicide ). Worse than that, the rest of these assertions are poisoned with
the persecution complex of the modern day believer. If I was a believer I would be
angry with Ben Stein for poor quality representation. As it stands, as a non-believer,
I am just bemused that this is what passes for 'powerful' or 'commentary'.
Delete this if you must, I guess you will if it is a threat to what you are promoting
here, I have no wish to upset anyone.
Kind regards Paul McCue
Paul......Thank you for your comments, and no....I will not delete it, as you were simply expressing your opinion, and that is allowable...even encouraged, here.
I assure you that we do not suffer from a persecution complex..........I believe that we "suffer" from the exact opposite........we have a "tremendously blessed complex", but there is no suffering involved with that.
Given that I have many jewish friends who often tell me the same thing as the commentator, and some who dont like Christmas, I like the piece. I also would like to see other faiths in God respected as much as we tend to respect our own faith . I dont think we pay enough respect to jewish faith. we will set meetings on jewish holy days or on other fath's holy days but not on christmas. or we dont even try to understand other ways of seeing the one great source. but then I am a Christian who mingles and ceremonies with many faiths so I look at things a little expansive.
I do think that we tend to pay a lot of attention to celebrities. I am also guilty of that.
I dont want a one religion world that might just be way to controlling. If God is love then I'll accept Gods Love the way God wants to love.We have choice.
I dont feel persecuted that is an extreme way to look at things. Every religion tends to have extremists. but I dont think the commentator is extreme. He is just expressing one opinion and given that we are a christian site the piece is appropriate for this site.
but we can have opinions and speak them if we are respectful and compassionate.
I know that the white house didnt mean to bash christians.
there is room in the world for athiest's and Believers of every faith . A kind God knows that. and no one should be forced to believe any thing they dont understand
Just my opinion.
BTW love your name , Prometheus who had to steal fire from a not so loving god. Once upon a time God was also very strict with us after all God is everything.and we are created in Gods image we can be extreme . I like to think Jesus came to be the last sacrifice of the ages so that we would be saved from Gods harsh side To show that God is Love.and to show us that we are love too.
I dont know if Zeus did anything like that. I do know that prometheus had to trick zeus and steal fire to save the people on the earth and then zeus put prometheus on a mountain with an eagle coming every day to disembowel him yikes. I love prometheus I dont like zeus so much.
many blessings Prometheus
It appears that there is a statement in the opening post which is incorrect. It is stated that Dr Spock's son did not commit suicide, and for that apparent mis-representation of the facts, we at The Family of God do apologize. We did fail to check our facts in that regard.
Paul I thank you for pointing that out to us.
Thank you Paul for pointing out the fact about dr spocks son I dont believe in spanking either. I am a teacher and I handled kids without ever spanking so I dont see why parents have to spank and then I am not a mother so I cant say much about what it is like for parents at home. plenty of good people have spanked their kids or not spanked their kids and the kids turn out fine.
I wonder if the commentator got some mail about the dr spock discrepency.( It was Dr Spocks grandson who comitted suicide and the commentator should have some compassion about it instead of blaming. that was just plain wrong.I had not thought about it when I first read the article I feel sad for the young mans parents they dont need to feel like they did something wrong. It wasn't anyones fault that the young man was having a hard time. they did everything they possibly could to help him.Everyone is always doing the best they can with what they know ) You should write to Ben Stien, I am going to write to him and to the friend who sent the article to me so that they can also know the facts in a good way. I am always open to correction.
As for the rest of the article well I think it is still a good comment on a portion of our society.
In the spirit of this concept of God is Love and that we need more understanding and allow GOD to remain in our world right out there in the open and honoring Everyone who believes in GOD, I share one of my favorite songs of worship. Personally I know that Jesus doesnt mind one little bit that his name is not mentioned. when I have my channupa (sacred Pipe) prayer ceremony in four weeks to end my current class on prayer I am going to sing this song with my class. I am rewriting a verse to include Jesus. I cant even remember how I found this song which I heard years ago with my very first inipi Sweat group. Even while we sang native traditional songs we sang this one too. Yesterday the HOLY SPIRIT guided me to this song. all day the Holy spirit was telling me how to put together my final presentation for my class on prayer.. and then this song poped up I have been to the rainbow gatherings. I love them .
I will share my verse with you when I finish it.
There are two other things that were apparently not fact-checked. Ben Stein did the commentary, of which the above is loosely based, in 2005.
Also, the White House has never referred to Christmas trees as "holiday trees." It's an Urban Legend akin to the belief that eating Pop Rocks and drinking Coca Cola will kill you from making your stomach explode.
Hi Phil......thank you for checking those things for us. There is so much good information available on the net, and yet many things which are incorrect. One needs to be checking all of the time.
Personally I find myself a bit gullible..........."if I read it, it must be right" but that is not necessarily so. Thanks again.
Hi Phil, what was the other thing
I still appreciate the Idea that Ben stein is talking about. The Idea that symbols of worship of a creator a Higher power are fine all together in the same place. It doesnt bother him as a jewish man to have Christ in the same place as a Menorah. Or for anyone to believe in a great mystery. I also believe that we work together with that higher power to create our lives and that as we think so we are. I believe that in every belief or non belief there are the good guys and in the mix are always the angry extremists who want everyone to bow to them and believe their way. It can be all about power and control.
It doesnt bother me if others dont believe and I dont shove it at them. It does bother me if they lump everyone of any faith into one category as if all athiests are the same or all christians are the same or all___are the same. I do Prefer non believers that believe in compassion . kindness, understanding, helping, taking good care of the feelings of others, allowing for the diversity of people in this world.
I seriously dont believe everything I read especially from organized religion or organized non believing system. I chose to think for myself. and still I am a believer in that man JC but I do get into trouble often for reading everything and hanging out with all types of faiths and non faiths finding God wherever I am and that is why I am a believer in that guy JC who got in trouble often for the same thing and by the way christ was not his last name.
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